Phil: 0:04

Welcome to Take Your Medicine podcast. I'm Phil Cowley, a pharmacist for 25 years. And during that 25 years, one thing I've learned is the more you listen to patients, the more wisdom you have. In fact, I liked it so much. I decided to start a podcast where we bring real people in who've taken their healthcare and empowered themselves. And from those individuals, we'll learn more than any clinician can ever teach you today. The beautiful, the wonderful star of the stage, big screen, littler screen, and now the tiny screens that are in everybody's hands. Jillian Gottlieb is with me. She is absolutely in every way a doll and you need to go follow her right now. Jillian Gottlieb, if you like skin. She loves skin. If you think you're good at skin, she's better at skin. She's amazing. Go see her on Instagram and TikTok, Jillian Gottlieb. And I am so thrilled today.

Jillian: 0:59

I'm so, so happy to be here. I am the biggest fan of you. After you found me, I found you and I adore you.

Phil: 1:08

You know what I love about this? You and I have, everything I do is from a very budget standpoint.

Jillian: 1:13

I think we're the same person. It's like budget, comedy, simple tips, no BS. We're very similar.

Phil: 1:21

And we're doing it for education, and that's what I love, because people who are really in for the education can listen to one person, and listen to another person, and make their own stew, and there are so many people now who feel like they have to be either in the camp or out of the camp, and that's all there is, that the more fun, she's so fun, the more fun people you follow who take themselves serious enough to know that they're in charge, but not so serious enough that everybody else has to agree with them. Jillian is your person.

Jillian: 1:48

Oh, thank you so much. Thank you. I'm so excited to chat with you.

Phil: 1:52

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Jillian: 3:42

I was a theater actor for many years and then it just didn't make me happy anymore And i'm a big believer in doing whatever makes you happy and when it stopped making me happy, I decided to quit. Then I became a middle screen actor, so film and tv, and I still do that. That's my primary job and I love it so much. And then a few years ago, I became a very small screen actor. Instagram and TikTok, that was very random how that happened. And I built a following pretty quickly, once I leaned into just being myself and now here we are I think I started about two and a half years ago, maybe seriously posting content and taking this serious as a career.

Phil: 4:26

I think you and I started about the same time and it's kind of funny. I've listened to some of your other stuff and you were like me, like you downloaded TikTok. And you're like, okay, what the crud do I do now with it?

Jillian: 4:35

I had no idea.

Phil: 4:35

Anybody who, who's not watching this on their phones. I got to tell you that she looks like she's like 22. Like her skin is pristine, which tells us something right now. It tells us that she takes it very seriously because it is a consistency that lets you keep your skin that way. Everybody's looking for that. Silver bullet that one cream, like I'll put this on and in two days it'll look like I'm new.

Jillian: 4:57

Ugh, no such thing. No such thing people.

Phil: 5:00

I am looking at hard work and dedication right here.

Jillian: 5:02

It is hard work. It is a, I call it my five and five routine. I do five products in the morning, five at night. They really never change unless I'm testing out a new product. I am a huge believer that skincare and having good skin does not have to be expensive. You do not have to spend a lot of money to have good skin. You just have to know what products actually work. You have to know how to use them, and you have to be diligent with them. But there's so many people, saying what they think on the internet. It's hard to find the people that you can really trust.

Phil: 5:32

And absolutely. And the other thing, all those people who are saying things, we're cut down to 15, 30 or 90 seconds to give you everything you need to know. One thing I really do like is when people learn a lot and they're like, okay, is any of this true? And then they go look again. It's that empowerment.

Jillian: 5:47

Yeah.

Phil: 5:48

But I also love the fact that you're like, crazy honest about everything you get done. So we live in a world where anybody who's using Ozempic has to like, pretend like they're not, which is insane to me.

Jillian: 5:59

It's crazy to me. That's crazy. There's nothing I, I don't like the shame that is around. Ozempic that's around Botox fillers. My whole goal is to destigmatize these treatments because we have autonomy over our own bodies. So nobody should judge us except for ourselves if we feel so inclined, but I I'm not ashamed of anything I've done. I'm proud of it. I want to share it with you. I've had a nose job. I want to tell you about that in case you're interested in having. You know, plastic surgery. I've had Botox. I've had fillers. If you're interested in that, ask me. Let me help you. I don't hide anything. I don't see how that helps me. I don't see how that helps you.

Phil: 6:40

Oh, it doesn't help anybody. Most people that have shame, the problem you have is that they're kind of hurting on the inside already and then they're

Jillian: 6:47

Absolutely

Phil: 6:47

Hurting here and then they feel like they need to hide it and then it becomes this whole cycle. And there is no such thing as a bad substance. I always say there's no good drug, there's no bad drug, it's all tools. And when it comes to skincare, there's no bad tool. In the skincare world, it just depends on who you are. So it's really important that these are our experiences. We're not giving medical advice here. What we're doing is we're telling you information. So you always want to talk to your doctor, your dermatologist, your healthcare provider. We're here to give you, I think people are smart. We give them information. They know what's right. And they can quit with the shame. Because if, if you don't like the way you look, you don't like who you are. And then you can say, I don't really care. But. We all care. We all see those bags underneath our eyes. We all see the wrinkles we don't want and we all see ourselves in the light we want to, but back to you, I want to start at the very beginning. Can we? So you and I both took Accutane, which I'm, I'm a huge believer in Accutane. However, when you take any substance, whether it's Accutane or Tretinoin or whatever it is you take, there's always two sides. So you have to pick up the whole package. You can't say only want the one half. So my whole family's got cystic acne in it. And so I listened. I listened to a lot of your stuff out there. Just so you know, when you're about 13, I started about the same age as you did, but I went six cycles straight.

Jillian: 8:07

Oh, six cycles. Oh God. Okay.

Phil: 8:10

So tell me your experience so everybody can hear it from you because we had similar.

Jillian: 8:14

I'm pretty sure I was on three cycles. Um, at a, at a young age, I had horrible cystic acne. I mean, for anyone that doesn't know, those are those huge painful pimples that don't have a head on them. It's kind of like underground volcanoes that come out. They're very painful and they're even more painful when you're a teenager and you have to show your face at school. So I tried absolutely everything and then I was put on Accutane, I believe at the University of Pennsylvania. Like I was, my family was really looking for what could help me. Accutane helped. I mean, it got rid of my acne. It did come back in my twenties. So now I'm on something called Spironolactone and I've been on it for about seven years. But acne has been a huge part of my life and if I stopped my pills right now It would still be a huge part of my life even at my age.

Phil: 9:05

So we don't talk a lot of times they talk about accutane and it does come with a lot of side effects It dries your lips out to where you'll never you'll remember how dry your lips were for the rest of your life.

Jillian: 9:13

I will I will never forget.

Phil: 9:14

Right like they crack.

Jillian: 9:15

Oh my god

Phil: 9:16

You wouldn't dare smile

Jillian: 9:18

I think for 20 years my lips were dry. I swear to god I think my lips just recovered from accutane 20 years later.

Phil: 9:25

Which is why we're going to jump into fillers for lips for people that have been on accutane because we ruined the collagen at a young age, but that's a whole nother side thing. Yeah, it will get there for sure I used to get cracks underneath my fingernails because I was washing dishes at a pizza place from the accutane. That all being said

Jillian: 9:40

yeah,

Phil: 9:41

And the depression is real that you can get with it. It is a real thing I'm glad I did it.

Jillian: 9:47

Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I really struggled. I mean, I, I was struggling with a lot of things at that age, but the Accutane did not help. I remember, how awful I felt, and then I was put on a lot of pills when I was between 14 to 17, I think. Antidepressants, ADHD meds. I was put on so many things, I felt like I had a blanket on top of me. I think I was, heavily over medicated and I think that's one of the reasons as an adult I'm so serious with my health is because I remember the feeling of, you know, I didn't know how to talk to doctors. I was a child and they just threw pills at me and I took them every day and I was like a zombie for years.

Phil: 10:26

It's like you've listened to this before because the whole thing on this is when you go into a physician's office and they say here take your medicine And the thing about a physician is, and I say this every episode on purpose, no doctor, no nurse, no pharmacist went into it because they didn't want to care. They went in there because they wanted to care.

Jillian: 10:42

Yes, of course.

Phil: 10:43

The system like squeezes you. So when you see a 14 year old girl come in and she's got acne and it's, for real, your 19th visit of the day, you forget to see it from their eyes sometimes.

Jillian: 10:55

Yeah.

Phil: 10:56

But patients don't forget, and everything you learned from having acne young actually puts you in a position, I think, to meet Dr. Claire. Am I right?

Jillian: 11:04

A hundred percent. Dr. Claire is my dermatologist. She is a gem. I got so lucky with her. I did not seek her out. She was just a recommendation to me from another dermatologist who was fine. But she was the recommendation as the cosmetic dermatologist I should say, and I didn't research her, which, I mean, you should always do your research, but I got very lucky meeting her. And the second I met her, the second we chatted, I think we spent 20 minutes talking, I knew she was the one and I'd never leave her. And I've been with her for years and years now.

Phil: 11:41

So what's the difference? So everybody out there knows between a cosmetic dermatologist and a dermatologist.

Jillian: 11:47

So cosmetic is for cosmetics. They will do Botox. They will do fillers. They will do laser treatments. They're kind of, you know, they're an artist, right? They're helping sculpt your face. Medical is everything medical. They're giving your skin checks. They're consulting for acne. They're looking at your moles and they're looking at everything. Dr. Claire is a medical and cosmetic dermatologist. And for somebody interested in cosmetic treatments, I do always recommend seeing a cosmetic and medical dermatologist with which most of them are. If you're cosmetic, you're also usually medical, which wonderful. So, you know, while they're giving you their Botox, they can look at that, weird looking mole and say, maybe we should biopsy that as well.

Phil: 12:28

Yeah, absolutely. And you know, it's an interesting time because, well, 10 years ago aesthetics was not very common. Like you, they were around, you couldn't find them. And now it's like, you get really, really good ones. There's a lot of really good ones. And then you also get some that are basically doing it out of their garage. And so it's one of those things that when you talk aesthetics, we, you have to do some research. Now I know you got lucky. Yeah. Finding Dr. Claire. Yes. But if you were going to not be lucky or you were going out today to find somebody to do your Botox to do your, because fillers. Fillers can go from looking, wow, how nice is that to holy cow, she looks like a duck in like seconds.

Jillian: 13:05

Absolutely everything can go wrong in the wrong hands. I always say it's more important who's doing the treatment than what you're getting done, right? So the same exact 10 units of Botox with one injector can look one way and the same units injected in with somebody else's hands doing the treatment can look totally different. So I always say word of mouth is best. You have a friend that looks gorgeous. Ask them who their doctor is. Ask them who they go to. Write to me. Write to people online. I get DMs every single day on Instagram from people that don't follow me yet or are new to my page. Hey Jillian, you look great. Do you have a dermatologist? I'm in this area. And I happen to know a lot of people around the country that now I'm comfortable recommending people to. So ask, don't, don't be scared. I think the issue is that people are too scared to ask, especially when it's for something cosmetic, because there is that shame surrounding it. So people are curious about Botox or something like that. And they don't know who to talk to. They're too nervous to ask a friend.

Phil: 14:09

There was a movie that, Ricky Gervais was in with, Jennifer Garner and where he had to tell the truth on everything that he did.

Jillian: 14:15

I remember that movie.

Phil: 14:16

They went to a nursing home instead of being a nursing home it was a sad place where old people die like it had to be the truth. I always wonder how much better our lives would actually be though if we all came out and said yeah, I got Botox, and I went to this person, and I ended up with the rock's eyebrow, so I went to this person and fixed it. Like, it'd be so interesting if we were truly honest.

Jillian: 14:35

Oh my god, it would be so helpful, right? If we all could just, and there's a lot of people that won't share their doctor, won't share who they go to, please, it's not, you know, sharing information doesn't hurt you, it doesn't take anything from you, right? Right, nothing. It takes nothing from you. So I think, you know, we're not on this earth for very long. We might as well be honest and help the other people while we're here.

Phil: 14:59

Right. And that's actually the last question I'm going to warn you ahead of time.

Jillian: 15:02

Yeah.

Phil: 15:02

So when I got onto social media, I didn't expect anything to happen because I was just this little pharmacist in a farm town in Utah. When we finally started moving, I had somebody ask me a very serious question, said, what do you want from this? And I thought for a long time, I decided. If I could make the world 1 percent kinder, that would be the very best thing that can be. So at the last question, I'm warning you now, I'm going to ask you, how do we make the world 1 percent kinder, but what you're talking about is already down that road. Because what you're saying is this. You need to be honest and up front because just because you didn't like somebody you can say well they went pretty heavy handed for me I'd rather go a little bit lighter or I want just watched your real like 12 times with the Morpheus your sound on that should be like viral like it's yeah It's so funny because some people love the Morpheus. It's the radio frequency injection. They love it.

Jillian: 15:50

I think I'm always very clear to say hey, this isn't for me You might like it wasn't for me even in you know reviews I do of makeup or skincare products. I'm always beyond honest I say I didn't like how this looked on my skin. You might love it. Just wasn't for me thank you so much for sending it. I don't think enough people are honest, they all they all want people to like them on social media. I don't really have that care. I think if I'm just myself you either like me or you don't. And if you don't, I mean, I'm, I'm here for you anyway, if you want me to help you with your skincare and you've, you've been a troll in the past, I'll help you. It doesn't bother me.

Phil: 16:31

Well, I've had people that seem like they're trolls and I always, I actually, I kind of have a little respect for some of them when they're being progressive with what they're saying, but I've had people disagree with me. And my answer is- if you're out there and I'm out there, then people in the middle get to hear everything they want. I think we could get along just fine, even though we disagree. I love that. Because one of your products, I wanted to jump into this because this is one, as a pharmacist, you're using a 12 percent hydroquinone cream, is that correct?

Jillian: 16:56

Yes, but I only use it usually two months out of the year.

Phil: 17:00

So it's melasma season now, if I remember right, because it's usually September is about the time you go get now, I don't know the lasers as well, so you're gonna have to teach us. So melasma, melasma is something that a lot of women struggle with. And it can be signs of PCOS, it can be insulin resistance underneath. At a cellular level, it is something, as a pharmacist and as a dermatologist, you start looking at, like, okay, there's something going on with your hormone, there's something disrupting it, we're having not enough estrogen or too much estrogen. But from a patient, they look at it and say, I have a brown mustache and I just want to get rid of it. Talk to us about your melasma experience. So I want to start before, like you're an actress.

Jillian: 17:41

Yeah.

Phil: 17:42

Your face is part of what you're selling.

Jillian: 17:44

Yeah.

Phil: 17:45

And let's talk melasma and what that did to you.

Jillian: 17:48

So other than acne, melasma has always been my biggest struggle. When I was around 26, I believe I was on a vacation with a girlfriend. We were laying by the pool. This was before I took care of my skin at all. And she said, hey, you've got dirt on your forehead. And I was like, Oh, what? I started rubbing my forehead. And she was like, No, the dirt is still there. This is how quick it happened. It was wild. I was laying outside all day in the hot sun. So I went back up to the room and as the day continued, the spot turned into a big dark brown circle. It happened so quickly. It was wild. And that was 11 years ago. And ever since, I have been struggling to get rid of the melasma that's all over my forehead, all over my cheeks. I will say it's pretty much gone now and that's because of the regimen that I do which is about two months a year. I use this 12 percent hydroquinone product which my dermatologist likes. I don't use it any longer than that ever. It's from Musely.

Phil: 18:48

Musely.

Jillian: 18:49

Anything under that percent has not worked for me. I've also tried cystamine, it didn't work that well for me. This works very well for me, but you never want to use hydroquinone for too long. You know this because it can cause something called ochronosis, which is the darkening of the skin, which is what we don't want. A lot of people are wary of hydroquinone, I totally get that. It's worked for me though. And then I'll do usually a yearly light laser treatment. And now the biggest thing for melasma, the biggest difference that I've made is that now that I take such good care of my skin with my morning and night routine and my skincare, I protect my skin. I wear a UPF hat. You will never see me outdoors without a UPF hat on and sunglasses, and you will always see me reapply my sunscreen when I'm outside every two hours.

Phil: 19:33

Say that again. One more time. Tell them how often they have to do it, because that's the key, right?

Jillian: 19:37

Every two hours, when I am outside, when I especially if I'm laying by my pool or if I'm going for, if I'm outdoors, I will reapply every two hours without fail. And I only wear makeup when I absolutely have to. So I'd say I wear makeup maybe three times a month. So reapplication for me is usually the liquid, right? But for everyone that asked me that, if they're wearing makeup outside, You can reapply. Reapply with a spray. Reapply with a powder. But wear a hat, especially if you're wearing makeup and you can't reapply with that liquid every two hours like I would love you to. Wear a hat. Wear a UPF hat, please. A wide brim hat that fully covers, not a baseball hat. It is so important.

Phil: 20:19

Hey, there's so much there that it's all right. So I want to make sure we don't miss any of them. First, I want to go into makeup real quick because yeah, so i'm terrible about sunscreen but i'm also an ugly old man, and I don't have to do that because pharmacist you're gorgeous.

Jillian: 20:33

You're a gorgeous man.

Phil: 20:34

It's just because we're just I'm a pharmacist. So the level was already set low So if I was a male model, I would be like

Jillian: 20:39

You're a gorgeous pharmacist.

Phil: 20:40

There we go That's easy. You just have to pick your niche on everything. I'm not going into modeling I'd be like a three. I met with a guy that was on Bachelor in Paradise and he goes, he was telling me about how once they get into Bachelor in Paradise, the problem is everybody's used to being a 10.

Jillian: 20:55

Yeah.

Phil: 20:56

But once they're all 10, somebody has to be the two and he goes, it freaks them out.

Jillian: 21:00

That's so funny.

Phil: 21:00

So one thing about it is I love your take on makeup and here's why there's this cycle. I've seen my wife do it. I've seen everybody do it. You have really inflamed skin.

Jillian: 21:09

Yeah.

Phil: 21:11

Um, inflammation is really like, I'm really big into the gut skin access and the fact that the skin will make the gut worse and the gut will make the skin worse and now it's the gut skin brain access and the dermatologist will say, yeah, if you're like, it's all tied together. So a lot of times they'll be really inflamed. They'll have lots of rosacea, and so they want to go out. They don't like the way that they look.

Jillian: 21:33

Yeah.

Phil: 21:34

And they put on these makeups, but a lot of the makeups in my opinion have disrupting things in them. If you're wearing them all the time, you could easily expect that skin to get worse instead of better.

Jillian: 21:45

Absolutely. I mean, I totally understand when you're not happy with your skin wanting to cover it, but I am telling anybody listening, if you were struggling with your skin, please only wear makeup when you absolutely have to. If you're just going to the grocery store. Do your normal skincare routine. Wear a beautiful tinted sunscreen. There are so many gorgeous tinted sunscreens that look beautiful. Do an eyebrow pencil if you have to. Leave your face alone. If you want your skin to get better, stop covering it up with these poor cloggers that are just going to make it angry at the end of the day. And if you have to wear makeup, there's a lot of good makeup now that has a lot of skin benefits in them. So it's not just you know, makeup, you're getting niacinamide, you're getting some brightening agents in the makeup. Okay. Those, those are usually like BB creams and things, but I would encourage anyone struggling with their skin to try to tone back on the makeup if you can. And if you're, if you're comfortable with that.

Phil: 22:44

See that's important because we want everybody to feel engaged.

Jillian: 22:47

And if you're not comfortable with it that's okay. There are some great foundations that have a lot of skin benefits again and anyone can message me at any time and I'll tell them what they are.

Phil: 22:57

So I always love the ones when you start reading and it's got essential fatty acids right at the beginning the jojoba oil like if they start with those things if you start with something you can't pronounce is the first thing you've got. I always say be wary if you can't say it like if you don't know it.

Jillian: 23:12

Uh huh And that's something that i've talked about a lot with my cosmetic chemist friends who I do a lot of videos with and my dermatologist. You're looking for those first couple ingredients. Those are the really important ones.

Phil: 23:24

They list them usually by how much they put in there, so it's kind of one of those interesting things. If you get down to about six, you're now talking a very trace amount of things.

Jillian: 23:32

My dermatologist always says you want to really look at the top five.

Phil: 23:35

Yeah, the rest of them could be in there, but when there's 35 or 50 ingredients in there by the end of it. Okay, now there's another one I want to jump into because there's this thing about witch hazel, and yeah, your skin is gorgeous. I do have one question about your hydroquinone though. Are you ready?

Jillian: 23:49

Yeah, tell me.

Phil: 23:49

Your eyes aren't raccooned. So most people use, aren't raccooned. Most people who use the hydroquinone, they put it on their face. They can't get close to their eyes. And so their eyes end up having pigment and the rest of them doesn't. How do you make it? So your skin tone is even

Jillian: 24:04

So with the Musely, I'm not really sure about, I know there's like hydroquinone pads and everything. Mine is just like a spot cream and you're only meant to massage it into the melasma, not to the whole face. And I don't have melasma near my eyes.

Phil: 24:19

That's perfect. That's what I wanted to hear because people like to take that and they like to put it on all their face so they get a bright face.

Jillian: 24:24

So you're putting hydroquinone everywhere. You're going to brighten the areas that you don't need to. We're trying to help the melasma. We're not trying to fix everything else. It's a spot cream, right? So unlike retinoid, which will go everywhere, or you know, your other things, you just want to massage it into the melasma. We're not trying to lighten the other areas. We don't want to get a uneven, uneven face.

Phil: 24:48

So perfect. I knew you'd know. That's why I wanted to ask you. Because people do that all the time. You see them. I actually can watch them walk down the street. I'm like, Oh no, nobody told them and they've got, they've brightened everything but right around their eyes and so it looks like they're wearing a mask and so you don't need to be afraid of it. You can use it short term and it does help.

Jillian: 25:03

Absolutely. Short term is key. It does help. And again, I think where people really run into trouble with hydroquinone, with retinoid, is not knowing how to use it. And then using it every day, never stopping, not knowing how much to apply. Please ask me. I'm right here. Let me help you. Like nothing makes me happier than helping people with their skincare. Let me guide you.

Phil: 25:27

You want to go to Instagram. Jillian Gottlieb, you want to do it now. I'll make sure that it's spelled out because if you're from Utah, it's hard to spell her last name. So I have to like practice saying it. I hope I've said it right so far.

Jillian: 25:38

You've said it right. You know, it's Jewish. It's like people, people, it's just, you say it just how it sounds, but it is tricky. It is tricky for a lot of people.

Phil: 25:46

Well, you know, but you want to go see it right now. Okay, so we've gone through a couple of things. So this is all about journey. So we started out and you had your acne journey. Now you mentioned, You got rid of it and it came back and you started taking Spironolactone, which helps you process your progesterone. So it's, the progesterone wants to go one way or the other and with the Spironolactone, which is an extremely inexpensive medication.

Jillian: 26:08

Yeah. I'm curious for your thoughts on Spironolactone.

Phil: 26:12

I like it. It's just, more for me is that we originally found it to help with water. You know, we use it to help somebody who's got a lot of fluid retention. Right. And it's got this secondary effect. So it's actually, it like echoes my whole thought processes, which is you can't take a medicine without having multiple effects. If I have somebody who's got hormone disruption already or has issues, and then I'm trying to get rid of their water weight, if I put them on spironolactone, I just mess with their hormones too.

Jillian: 26:35

Absolutely.

Phil: 26:35

And then the other thing is, is that I've already watched you take like 7, 10 drinks of water since we've been on here. You already know, no matter what you do on the outside of your skin, if you're not hydrated, it's nothing.

Jillian: 26:46

It is nothing. You know how much water I drink, Phil? I am non stop I don't drink alcohol. And that's not like a skin thing. I don't drink soda. I drink one coffee a day and I chug water nonstop. I love water, lemon water. I love water. And yeah, I mean, listen, I'm 37. Like I eat not that well, but I drink very well.

Phil: 27:10

You don't look anywhere near it. The way to tell if whether you're drinking enough water is when was the last time you had to go pee. Because if you haven't had to go pee for a while, then you're not drinking enough water.

Jillian: 27:19

Yep. A hundred percent. And is this true? Someone once told me if you're thirsty, you're already dehydrated.

Phil: 27:25

Always. Yeah. Because it doesn't even trigger until it's way down the road. So it's always that way.

Jillian: 27:29

I'm never thirsty. My partner on the other hand, he's always like, I need a drink. And I'm like, then that means you're, it's too late for you, bud.

Phil: 27:37

Well, and your partner, he's going to be like me, like I don't drink. And then all of a sudden, I'll put down like seriously half a gallon of water and then I'll pee it all out. None of it gets absorbed because I've overdone it. Cause I haven't been, like, I know what I do wrong. It's just, men get away with a lot more than women, at least they have for a long time.

Jillian: 27:52

No they do, of course you do.

Phil: 27:53

We get away with so much more, but women live longer, so we men think, oh we get away with it.

Jillian: 27:59

Yeah.

Phil: 27:59

We don't get away with it, we just die earlier and we're just like, okay with it I guess.

Jillian: 28:03

Yeah, well you have to be.

Phil: 28:04

Okay, so we've gone through now with your acne, when it returned to the spironolactone, take care of it by itself, because I know you're using a retinoic acid at night as well.

Jillian: 28:12

So it's interesting. So I think I first went to Dr. Claire, my dermatologist in I'm doing math, uh, when I was about 30 ish, and I went for my under eye issue. I had some under eyes going on and I got filler. And then the second issue was melasma. And then the third issue was the insane cystic acne that started popping up again in my late 20s. So I had about 10 years free of acne and then it came back, which my doctor explained can happen even though Accutane is a cure. It can come back. So she put me on Spironolactone and I'm on a very low dose. I'm on 25 milligrams, a day. I take it at night. I've been on it since I met her. So that's. seven years. I don't have any, a lot of people ask me about my side effects. I don't have any that I can tell. I mean, I don't have to pee more often than like normally. My weight has always been the same. So for me, my acne is just gone. And in those seven years, I did try twice to stop it just because I'm of the belief if I don't need to be on something, why am I on it? And those two times that I stopped it. I got the worst cysts of my life within the next couple weeks. My whole lower face broke out into an insane amount. And Dr. Claire said, what? It's not hurting you. There's no side effects. You're on 25 milligrams. Go back on it. I know you think you're too old to still be on acne medication, but go back on it. And I went back on and immediately my skin cleared up. So for me, it has been a game changer. You know, again, I can't speak to anybody else. I'm not a doctor, but for me. This has really helped me tremendously.

Phil: 29:55

Yeah, and a lot of people will use the like the spearmint teas and you can get there, but you have to drink a lot of spearmint tea to get there, but a lot of people like that.

Jillian: 30:02

Yeah, uh huh.

Phil: 30:03

You can get there, but it's, it's hard. Most people that are selling the spearmint teas, you've got to go so much because it's all about potency.

Jillian: 30:09

Yeah, it's, you know, spironolactone, I think the, the one concern everybody writes to me about is they're scared of these side effects, which I, I've never had, I just haven't had any, so I can't.

Phil: 30:19

You're so deep, you're so hydrated and you're doing all that, those things right.

Jillian: 30:23

Yeah, maybe, maybe that's it.

Phil: 30:25

So PCOS has now gone up by 50 percent in the last 10 years. And there's a lot of side effects people are seeing with PCOS, including cystic type acne. And then there's all these insulin resistance. As a patient, just generally speaking, is this something you worry about with what's inside of cosmetics? Like, are you worried that maybe what we're putting on or what we're eating?

Jillian: 30:48

I do worry. I worry to an extent. I know that from having so many, and if you follow me, I do a ton of videos with my friends who are cosmetic chemists and scientists. I've learned so much from them and they explain to everyone that the, the products that we're putting on our skin have gone through such rigorous testing, especially things like retinoid. Things that are a prescription. Things that, you know, the toxicologists test all of these products. I don't worry in the way that other people do. I think I get 10 to 20 messages a day saying, Hey Jillian, are you worried about this ingredient in Vani Cream? I Googled it and it says that it causes cancer. People don't understand. I think that, one ingredient, we're not slathering on a thousand pounds of this one ingredient. What matters is how all the ingredients work together in a formula. And I trust that these formulas have been tested and are safe for use. So I personally don't worry.

Phil: 31:55

That's kind of where I was leaning in. So there's a lot of things. So aspartame is my favorite. So NutraSweet, the first time now I know that there's questions or like, Oh, we're finding it and people are worried. But the very first day that showed that it had carcinogenic effects was when they fed rats, almost a pound a day of aspartame.

Jillian: 32:14

And there you go. So, you know, Same with certain ingredients. People are Googling saying, you know, this ingredient has been shown to cause cancer. And I'll look at the study and it's, it shows in a rat where they only fed that rat this one ingredient. For a year and then he got cancer

Phil: 32:31

so that's exactly what do your research so what i really love about Jillian is she you know that she's read it see she's so well spoken and I'm hoping she'll sing to me for me one time on that piano behind her because you know she plays it she's talented but she's brilliant because she does her research. On the silly videos that we both do, people don't understand the time and effort you put in behind them. And I know that about you is that you've studied these things and I, I think that's a really important message. When you have a reputable brand that has done the third party testing, then you know that there is a scientist out there. Who squirms in their skin every time they hear that this is not safe because like they that was their whole life or you're making sure it was safe.

Jillian: 33:13

Absolutely. And not only that, I mean, I have been lucky enough to visit some big labs of skincare. I went and visited actually L'Oreal's lab a couple weeks ago, this huge, amazing lab where 600 scientists work at. And I posted a video on it and everyone was saying, Oh, but they test on animals and it's horrible. And no, they don't, they've actually developed, this brand has developed something called EpiSkin, which is fake skin, which is what they have always tested their products on. So there's a lot of people that simply don't do the research and I'm happy to do it for you, if you're, if you're willing to listen, I will tell you, But there's just so much misinformation. It is so difficult and I'm always very honest that if I don't know enough to talk on a topic, that is when you see my dermatologist sitting next to me or you see a cosmetic scientist sitting next to me or a cosmetic chemist or my plastic surgeon. I'd say 40 percent of my videos have an expert sitting next to me because I am not about to add to the misinformation on the internet.

Phil: 34:17

No, and it's so important that people understand that one chunk of information which somebody says, oh, that's misinformation. You need to take all of it in and start doing the research because there are things that people say are misinformation that aren't there are some things that they say are information. People are smart I think that they can totally get there now. There's two things. I want to still do first of all There's a lot of people out there who going to a dermatologist is a once a year kind of like they can't do it. So I want to know what your, your, if I had to do one thing, what my must do, whether it's fillers or Botox or

Jillian: 34:47

Right. So it depends on what your goals are aesthetically. If you have those goals and it depends on your budget. So it depends on those two things. But my number one advice always is to find a provider that you trust because whatever they have in their office, they will have something that will work for you. So, for instance, if you're interested in a laser treatment to build collagen, don't start researching the laser. Find the provider first find somebody that you love you trust and they will probably have one to three lasers that will work for you. Um, really it's really a budget thing. I think fillers are a last thing that's you know to build volume. Botox is great especially if your wrinkles are set in or almost set in to attack them if you don't want those lines at rest. But I really am a big fan of things that build collagen. I love a yearly laser treatment. If you have that in the budget, I think a good diligent morning and night skincare routine and a once a year laser treatment will take you so far.

Phil: 35:50

Okay. And now your morning and night your five of each. They can find that on instagram.

Jillian: 35:54

They need to go listen to my pinned video right there Yeah,

Phil: 35:56

We would do it today, but i'm running out of time because I love it the way that she's structured it. So go to the pinned video and watch it through write it down And then implement it, because you have to, everybody's skin's different, but it is so good. You gotta go look at it, it's fantastic. Thank you. Now, there's a never list. There's, there's things that I'll never do again. Now, there's things that I would never do. Like, I gotta be honest with you, the, some of the stuff my wife's had done, I look at it and think I would never do that. It doesn't mean it's not good for somebody else. But what's a never for you again? Just for you. Nobody else.

Jillian: 36:30

A never for me, there are two things. RF, radiofrequency microneedling. That's the video where I'm screaming in pain. I absolutely hated it. I had grid marks on my face. It's not for me. My skin doesn't like it. And the second on my never list, I once had a marionette line filler. For me, that's a no. It was so painful and my chin every night around nine. I swear it was like radioactive every night at 9 p.m. Like like my chin started to feel hot. I had an anxiety attack every night for three months I'm not kidding the text that my poor dermatologist got of me thinking I needed to go to the hospital I was like I have an occlusion. I didn't have an occlusion three months later. I'm that's, that doesn't happen, but I was like, I'm occlusing right now. Like I must go to the hospital. Those two things I will never ever do again.

Phil: 37:23

So those are always, I like to put them out there because everybody's different. So somebody else may have loved all those things.

Jillian: 37:27

Absolutely. And, and more power to you. You can have the extra filler and the extra micro needling that I am not having.

Phil: 37:35

So I want to thank you again. Now she's on the big screen on movies like the Bros. She's got right now, you are working on what, right? What can we see you in right now?

Jillian: 37:44

I just, I just finished a movie. I'm not sure where it's it's gonna be out, but I, I will definitely, I mean, you'll, you'll see me post about it on social media. So I just finished that and we'll see what's next acting wise. I'm enjoying my little break right now.

Phil: 37:57

It's fantastic. You're going to go find her on Instagram. Jillian Gottlieb is you're gonna go find her now. The last question I always ask everybody is if you could make the world just one percent kinder What advice would you give to everybody Because I always tell everybody when you're done with this go give somebody a hug Send somebody a text that needs it. Smile at somebody, so what would you give advice on how we make the world one percent kinder?

Jillian: 38:20

I think we should stop judging other people for what they choose to do to their own body. I think the shaming on social media is out of control and if you could instead of saying Ew, you look horrible. You could say that's not for me, but I appreciate you sharing that or not say anything at all and just sign off for the day. I think if we could just be a little more tolerant to people that don't have the same views as us. It would be, we would be doing great.

Phil: 38:57

Don't start nothing. Don't be nothing. I think it's the best advice ever.

Jillian: 39:02

Absolutely. A hundred percent. Let's just, we're not here for very long. So let's just be nice.

Phil: 39:09

Absolutely. All right. This has been Take Your Medicine podcast. We've had Jillian Gottlieb on. It has been a wonderful time. I'm coming to New York and we're going to go run that loop. I will keep a hold of you. So I just want to tell you before we end up, it's been a really an honor. You are amazing, and I appreciate you taking this time so much.

Jillian: 39:27

Thank you so much. This was lovely. I had so much fun. Thank you.